Thinking Out Loud

July 4, 2014

4 Thoughts for the 4th: Where’s America in Prophecy?

 

America in Bible Prophecy

We spun the magic Google wheel and landed on these answers to the question, “Why isn’t America in Bible prophecy?”

We start with Greg Laurie:

When I look at Bible prophecy, one thing that is of great interest to me, and of great concern, is the absence of the United States. It is interesting to note that a number of nations are mentioned in the Bible that will be active in the last days. Libya is mentioned by name. Persia, which became modern Iran and Iraq, is mentioned. Ethiopia is specifically mentioned. Quite possibly China and Russia are mentioned. And certainly Israel is mentioned. But the one nation that is strangely absent is the United States of America.

Where is the United States? Why are we not in the last-days scenario? Why is it that we can read of nations like Iraq and Iran and Libya and that we possibly can find China and Russia mentioned, but we cannot find the United States?

I would like to offer three plausible answers.

[…continue reading here…]

From The Remnant Report:

…Maybe we’re just not as important as we once thought…we in the Western world tend to think of prophecy in terms of “prediction/fulfillment.” In other words, something is predicted in the Bible which is later fulfilled.

But, Jewish scholars and many good Christian theologians tend to think of prophecy in terms of biblical “pattern.” For instance, nations fall into patterns of behavior which results in God’s judgment again and again. These are clearly outlined in Scripture.

In terms of pattern there is no question that almost all nations including America fit into biblical prophecy. For example, Deuteronomy 28 & 29 lists the blessings of following God’s law and the consequences of disobeying it. Hosea 4 and Ezekiel 7 are two books which also list patterns of disobedience and God’s judgment. We might include Isaiah chapter 5 to feature consequences of disobedience, too. This one mentions large, beautiful houses sitting empty due to God’s judgment.

[the article then lists a variety of these patterns of judgments]

…I think you could make a good case for America suffering this kind of judgment at God’s Hands today. The pattern fits, doesn’t it?…

[…continue reading here…]

From a lengthy article at WARN Radio

1 Peter 4:17
  For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

This last September 11th we remember the trouble on that date and the many lost lives. We have people who are mourning the lost  and many others who let the moment of the day bring swells of tears and pride. During this time we have many who see and are blinded at the same time by the same thing Israel was blinded by. Their own pride and stubbornness. They simply did not see their sins, nor acknowledge that the LORD God would judge them so severely.  Even today the churches and many Americans do not see the trouble that is coming.

Simply put, it will come to this nation, in like manner as it did to Israel. The reason again, pride and stubbornness, with an unwillingness to repent of their sins.  This nation was raised out of the earth by God himself. It stood so many years for his good pleasure, not ours. Yet, the sins of the nation has become past being as bad as Israel. America is blinded!

[…continue reading here…]

A short interview with author Joel Rosenberg:

…The bottom line is there are a lot of theories over the years over what prophecy in the Bible might refer to the United States. A careful analysis of all of them indicates that there is not a single direct reference to the United States as a player in the last days.

So, the question really is ‘Why not?’ If we are already in the last days, how could the United States not be a clearly defined player? The answer is, we don’t know because the Bible doesn’t say.

Something happens by which the U.S. is paralyzed, sidelined or neutralized and therefore unable or unwilling to project influence to be a major force in the major events of the last days. That’s what Implosion is about, walking through a whole series of things that could happen to the United States, things that are consistent with Bible prophecies and what the Bible says will happen to various nations in the last days.

There is not a verse specifically about what happens to us. You have to look at a whole range of scenarios and say any one of these, or even a combination of them, is possible…

[…continue reading here…]

 A differing opinion: In this 35-min audio, the presenter feels America is in prophecy.

 

7 Comments »

  1. Are these parodies? Why on earth would Hebrew prophets talk about a nation that wouldn’t be founded for 2 millennia? You’d be just as productive asking why the prophets don’t mention Luxembourg, El Salvador, Tibet,the Grand Duchy of Finland, the Ashanti Empire, or Lesotho?

    Comment by Trevor Morgan — July 4, 2014 @ 3:28 pm

  2. I’d hate to be that person online accusing Greg Laurie of writing a prophecy parody. Maybe you haven’t been exposed to this type of discussion before, but in many Christian circles this is a rather serious topic. The problem that many American (and Canadian) Christians have is that in the apocalyptic literature there is no figurative or allegorical reference that would seem to indicate North America. (Absolutely nobody is expecting the U.S.A. to be mentioned by name.) Given the present dominance of the U.S. and the large Christian population both on the world stage, and in terms of Christian influence, you can see why people looking into the future would want to know, ‘What happens to to America?’

    Comment by paulthinkingoutloud — July 4, 2014 @ 4:49 pm

  3. Link to follow-up post at Christianity 201

    Pingback by The Pattern of Nations | Christianity 201 — July 4, 2014 @ 5:01 pm

  4. I’m not really sure who Greg Laurie is, and having read this article I’m not particularly inclined to investigate further. The confluence of Darbyism and American exceptionalism is a strange thing to observe from the outside.

    Comment by Trevor Morgan — July 4, 2014 @ 6:11 pm

  5. In none of the four articles was mentioned the Catholic church, the pope, Vatican City, Rome or even Italy. If the American evangelical church claims a spiritual place at the End Times table then how is the Catholic church not considered? Some Christians consider the Catholic Church to be weighing heavy on the side of Satan so perhaps that is why they are ignored. I wonder if there are any church leaders anticipating a return-on-investment from Jesus for supporting Israel with prayers and money? There’s nothing wrong, of course, with supporting Israel in that manner but it can be tempting to think they are pushing history along, even at the risk of ignoring the poor and sad here at home. Lots of people confuse Israel to mean the nation instead of being the Biblical term for God’s people. We ought to be concerned with taking care of all of God’s people everywhere instead of the worrying about the fate of any particular country.

    Comment by Janis Vitolins — July 4, 2014 @ 7:09 pm

  6. One simple reason. Prophecy has nothing to do with America or Canada but with Gods dealings with Israel

    Comment by Ralph juthman — July 4, 2014 @ 7:53 pm

    • I think to an extent, you are right; Israel is the “apple of God’s eye,” and much prophecy needs to be read with that in view. But here’s another section from the second link (Remnant Report):

      There are at least 15 nations which are mentioned specifically by name in prophetic passages. They are:

      Israel
      Jordan (Ammon, Moab, and Edom)
      Egypt
      Sudan (Cush)
      Russia (Rosh)
      Iran (Persia)
      Iraq (Babylon)
      Europe (reunited Roman Empire)
      Central Asia (Magog)
      Syria
      Greece
      Saudi Arabia (Sheba and Dedan)
      Libya (Put)
      Lebannon (Tyre)
      Turkey

      So, with those countries indicated as somehow involved, you can see how Americans would be wanting to ask, “What about us?”

      Comment by paulthinkingoutloud — July 4, 2014 @ 9:34 pm


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