- Napkin Thelogy: If you can communicate it better with a quick drawing, why not?
- Just like universities agree to honor some of each others credit courses, four Reformed denominations and the Roman Catholic Church have agreed to honor each others infant baptisms. (For some this confirms that the CRC denomination is not evangelical.)
- Here’s how some churches look at the issue of copyrights involving music or materials. This example is not a good example, though.
- Church planters sometimes are often guilty of reacting to existing trends or conversely, copying existing trends. There are three other factors that can motivate planters, and certain risks and dangers in all five types.
- When you release a dove ceremonially, it’s not supposed to be attacked by seagulls.
- Should communion (Eucharist, Lord’s Supper) be done with a common cup or several cups? Actually, that’s not the issue; the real reason I posted this is because it’s a great example of taking Bible study notes.
- Or this question: Should Churches shift weekend service times to accommodate the Super Bowl game? Perry Noble’s church did.
- Last week Rachel Held Evans linked to a trio of articles with the common theme, Do Christians idolize virginity? One of the recommended articles is being recommended here as well; the story of a girl who believed that, in her words, I am Damaged Goods.
- For my local readers who enjoy Robin Mark’s annual visits here each summer, here’s the best version of the John Wesley song I can find. (YouTube audio.) Watched it three times on Saturday.
- Michael Belote has a very lengthy, heartfelt article on dieting that he then uses as springboard for looking at our spiritual diet. There are some great principles here including this question: Am I using the right fuel in the right amounts? This is a five-star blog post!
- We’re a bit late arriving at this one, but this February list transcends time. Here are 28 ways to show gratitude that are good anytime.
- Wanna start a church in Orange County, California? You’d be in good company, and there are currently 17 churches for sale.
- A New Jersey pilot credits her faith in God for her and her passenger surviving a crash in the Hudson River.
- When Michael Hyatt spoke to real estate professionals about social media, he discovered they didn’t know what to post to Twitter or Facebook. Here are his ten suggestions.
- Canadian hockey player Mike Fisher, now with the Nashville Predators, made Brad Lomenick‘s young influencers list for January. Here’s his testimony and a link to his Zondervan-published biography.
- The Calvinists gotta hate this song; but probably the Arminians are glad they have enough free will to turn off bad church music. Click for The Free Will Song.
- For something more contemporary… I’ve never been to the blimeycow YouTube channel before, but this take on five-minute instant worship songs, is far too cynical.
- …Click the images for sourcing from Clark Bunch’s blog (top) and Close to Home (below)…Feel free to add your favorite recent Christian blog links this week in the comments…
February 6, 2013
November 18, 2011
As noted earlier today at Bene Diction Blogs On, not only has the iconic Crystal Cathedral decided to accept the offer of the Roman Catholic diocese of Orange County, but the church’s parent denomination, The Reformed Church of America, has decided to end a decades-long relationship that had always existed outside of normal denominational protocols and paradigms.
First story first, as reported at the Orange County Register:
Late Thursday evening U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Robert Kwan issued the ruling, acknowledging the tremendous work put in by Chapman University, the diocese’s competitor, which offered as much as $59 million for the 40-acre Crystal Cathedral campus. The diocese will get the property for $57.5 million.
Under the diocese’s plan, the ministry will be able to lease the core buildings – including the cathedral and the Tower of Hope – for three years, at $100,000 a month during the first year and $150,000 for years two and three. They also will be able to lease the school building for $10,000 a month until the end of school year 2013.
After three years, Crystal Cathedral Ministries and the school will move to the 10-acre property on Lewis Street where St. Callistus is now located.
Several longtime congregants who supported Chapman’s bid in an effort to remain in their home church left in tears after the judge announced the decision.
This has to beg the question: Will there be enough congregants left to continue in the large glass church for three years? The same news story noted:
Congregants, who left the courthouse tearful and disappointed, said they felt betrayed.
“The cathedral’s administration and the board have really stripped us of our ministry,” said Bob Canfield. “In the end, it was all about the money. The congregants have lost their ministry.”
Chuck Stalter called the decision “the death of the church.”
“There will be a mass exodus tomorrow,” he said.
Other issues raised in the discussions included a perceived superiority of Catholic churches in general to maintain burial grounds. Many former members of the Crystal Cathedral are buried on the property while others have expressed that intent in their wills.
The denominational issue, while it won’t be the focus of many mainstream news reports today, is in some ways significant, though most will view it as a rather anticlimactic move that has been a long time coming.
[R]epresentatives of the Reformed Church in America say they are in the process of discontinuing their relationship with the Crystal Cathedral.
Scott Treadway, president of the Reformed Church in California, says the cathedral’s goals and mission, including worship style, are not in line with those of the denomination – leaving them with no choice but to discontinue their long and unique relationship with the Crystal Cathedral.
“We have resolved that the governance requirements of the (Crystal Cathedral) and RCA are mutually exclusive, and discussions are underway toward a gracious parting of ways,” he said in an email response.
The Reformed Church’s relationship with the Crystal Cathedral was unique because the cathedral had grown into much more than a local community church when it became a worldwide television ministry, Treadway said.
So an agreement was forged, he said, where the Reformed Church continued to ordain the ministers, but that the ministry and property were administered solely by Crystal Cathedral Ministries. Although the agreement worked well for many years, the relationship became stressed when “there was a dissonance in ministry direction, music style, bankruptcy and risk to the property,” Treadway said, referring to the ministry’s shift from traditional music to a praise style of worship.
“It became an unsolvable mess,” he said.
Back to the building and property sale, the church’s lead pastor continues to hold on to optimism in the face of what is probably insurmountable obstacles:
Sheila Schuller Coleman, the founder’s daughter, sought to reassure members and supporters of the iconic house of worship Thursday night, saying “there is still time for God to step in and save Crystal Cathedral Ministries.”
“Lest you think it is too late for a miracle, I want to reassure you that it is not too late for a miracle,” said Schuller Coleman, the church’s director of ministry and mission.
Sadly, this last pronouncement shows that the story is not over, and really won’t be over, until the church comes to terms with the idea that its time has passed. We do not, in the Evangelical world, have a protocol for shutting down churches smoothly. People get emotionally bonded to land and buildings, when in fact, our love and devotion should be directed toward Jesus Christ.
Many other stories in this saga are available on this blog: Use the search bar in the upper right corner and type “Crystal Cathedral” and hit enter. Results will appear in reverse chronological order from newest to oldest.
October 19, 2010
An hour after ABC News was reporting the Crystal Cathedral’s Chapter 11 filing, neither the religion page at USAToday or the CNN Belief blog had anything posted. In many ways, the best the story merits is either a yawn or an “I told you so.” Everyone saw it coming.
Everyone, perhaps except Robert H. Schuller, the founder of Garden Grove Community Church, later renamed after its architectural offspring, The Crystal Cathedral. Many will speculate that if Schuller, Sr. had focused more on his other offspring, son Robert A. Schuller, perhaps the organization would not have met with such rapid decline.
The Orange County Business Journal quotes the present lead pastor:
“Budgets could not be cut fast enough to keep up with the unprecedented rapid decline in revenue due to the recession,” Senior Pastor Sheila Schuller Coleman said in a statement.
The filing lists debts of “50 to 100 million;” under 1,000 creditors owed; and assets of $100 million. (All figures U.S. dollars.)
But another Orange County publication, the OC Journal, has columnist Gustavo Arellano inferring that Schuller, Sr. “had it coming.”
…The world will see that Schuller ultimately influenced American Christianity the most of any pastor in OC–at the expense of his own flock and for personal benefit.
While Chuck Smith revitalized American evangelicism via Calvary Chapel, the Crouches revolutionized broadcasting the words of Christ (including Schuller’s own Hour of Power) and Rick Warren built a global megachurch without peer, Schuller put too much of his church’s focus on himself–the best-selling books, the television program, the many lectures. His message of possibility thinking and seminars for pastors made Warren possible, created the megachurch movement, and brought in millions to build his Crystal Cathedral–but while Schuller mugged for the cameras, he never did set a course of succession for his flock. If I was more up-to-date on my Scripture, this is the part where I’d quote Jesus or some prophet about vanity–oh, Ecclesiastes!–and say Schuller didn’t learn.
So what does Chapter 11 mean when applied to a church? It’s not much different than when it is applied to a manufacturing plant or a department store. There is a temporary relief of pressure, life goes on, and the church tries to come up with a plan.
At this point, I know some will suggest there really is only one plan: Bring back son Robert A. Schuller. Whether he would want to return under the present conditions is a huge variable.
But otherwise, the options aren’t that many. Perhaps Anaheim, California will find itself with a new symphony hall or arts center somewhere down the road — after all, don’t a lot of the rundown or abandoned churches in North America eventually end up as some kind of civic facility?
Appendix: Adding up the debt
Here’s a few of the major — and some longstanding — creditors as reported at the Orange County Register:
Infocision Management Corp.: $359,788
Lloyd Daniel Corp.: $318,500
FGS-CA Inc.: $252,992
World Marketing Inc.: $200,386
Thomas Nelson Publisher: $200,219
Dayster Television: $172,997
Wheelchair Foundation: $163,551
Hearst Television Inc.: $105,400
Lin Television Corporation: $90,567
Kristina Oliver, livestock supplier: $56,000
Gray Television Inc.: $55,522
Sharon Crabtree, managed props for pageants: $20,000
Carin Galletta, public relations: $16,000
Bruce Johnson, drycleaner: $11,500
Juliet Noriega, wardrobe supervisor: $10,000
October 27, 2008
Scroll down two posts for the original story if you missed it.
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Make no mistake about it! The difference between Robert H Schuller and his son, Robert A Schuller, was that the younger Schuller was preaching out of the Bible for his messages. Biblical revival was beginning to sweep over the Crystal Cathedral. No more! Young Schuller will not be preaching on the Hour of Power yet will still retain his status as Senior Pastor. That doesn’t make any sense! A Senior Pastor that can’t preach?
It would also seem the Robert H Schuller is now intent to have guest ministers fill the pulpit at the Crystal Cathedral even though he will also be doing some preaching there and the reason is simple- No more Bible based messages but instead more psychological laced possibility thinking for that is the reason of conflict between he and his son. “PREACH THE WORD” 2 Timothy 4:2.
“For the time will come when they will NOT endure sound doctrine” 2 Timothy 4:3. This is Robert H Schuller to a T. If Schuller doesn’t like Bible based sound doctrine he will move back into the pulpit his possibility thinking garbage. “BUT ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN DESIRES”. You see Schuller’s ears have been itching ever since his son Robert began preaching out of the Bible. While he doesn’t feel that the Schuller name should be featured at the Cathedral his name will be there unlike his son’s. [...continue article here]
I went to the Reformed Church of America website to learn what their doctrinal beliefs are and here is what I found: “Above all, our faith is centered in Christ. Every need of ours finds its answer in Jesus Christ. The final authority in the Reformed faith is Holy Scripture, the living Word of God, spoken to everyone through the Holy Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit takes the Word of God and makes it real and actual in our lives. This has always been and will always be the authentic wellspring of Reformed faith”.
Yet it is that very word of God, as contained in the Bible, which cost Robert A Schuller his tenure on the Hour of Power as the elder Schuller thought he was using too much Bible on the program. “Faith comes by hearing and HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD” Romans 10:17. In view of the Reformed Church of America’s statement as reinforced by the word of God, I would be curious as to how they view what has been done at the Crystal Cathedral? [...continue article here]
another post at http://www.obadiah1317.wordpress.com
I would ask, in lieu of that article, has Robert H Schuller grieved the Holy Spirit by the removal of his son as pastor? It would seem that a revival of sorts had been brought to the Crystal Cathedral but is what revival what Dr. Robert H Schuller really desires at that church? “Do NOT quench the Spirit”- 1 Thessalonians 4:19. Can you imagine being disciplined for preaching the word of God? Prayer must be forthcoming for Robert A Schuller. And for Dr. Robert H Schuller perhaps he should consider Ephesians 4:30 most carefully in lieu of his actions. “DO NOT GRIEVE THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD”. [post shown complete]
>>>OCTOBER 31 UPDATE: Check out this one, too; by Albert Mohler, “So Much for Possibility Thinking.”
October 26, 2008
Crystal Cathedral founder Reverend Robert H. Schuller has removed his son as preacher on the church’s weekly “Hour of Power” syndicated TV broadcast.
Schuller said in a statement read to some 450 congregants Saturday by church president Jim Coleman that he and his son, Robert A. Schuller, “have different ideas as to the direction and the vision for this ministry.”
“For this lack of shared vision and the jeopardy in which this is placing this entire ministry, it has become necessary for Robert and me to part ways,” Schuller said.
Robert A. Schuller will remain as senior pastor of the Crystal Cathedral, though it was unknown whether he will continue to preach, a church spokesman told the Los Angeles Times…