Thinking Out Loud

September 25, 2012

A Response to the COEXIST Poster

source: Stand to Reason (STR) Blog

UPDATE (Dec. 4, 2012) As noted in a comment below, if you want to know more about the origin of this graphic visit contradictmovement.org

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  1. If there is only one God, if God is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end, it would seem to me that God is the God of all people, of all traditions, of all time, for all time. What am I missing? Why does there need to be a “contradict?” When there is just God.

    Comment by MJ — September 29, 2012 @ 4:21 pm

    • From a Christian perspective, the problem, if you want to call it that, arises when Jesus says, “No man comes to the father but by me.” He claims exclusivity and proclaims that there is no other way. The word God is very general and means so many different things to so many different people. Again, from a Christian perspective, we’re talking about God as revealed in Jesus Christ. Years ago, E. Stanley Jones wrote, “When we say we begin with [the idea of] God, we’re beginning with OUR idea of God, and our idea of God is not God. Instead, we ought to begin with GOD’S idea of God, and God’s idea of God is seen in Jesus Christ.”

      Anybody can talk about God because it’s all so very vague, but the minute you mention Jesus it gets really specific, and frankly, some people start to get uncomfortable because, love him or hate him, he rather demands some kind of response from everyone who encounters him.

      Comment by paulthinkingoutloud — September 29, 2012 @ 5:04 pm

      • Jesus also commanded us to love one another and to leave judgement to God. The people of the old testament are not without God, and the God of the old testament is the same God of the new testament. I am not a Biblical scholar, but I don’t think that God is a narrow, new God that is intolerant and only exclusive to Jesus believing humans of the past 2 millennia, surely Job, Moses and “friends” are up in heaven with God.

        Comment by MJ — September 29, 2012 @ 6:27 pm

      • It would be easy for me to paint myself into a corner here, so just to recap, I was trying to explain the exclusive claim of Christianity, and how that contradicts with some of the other faiths represented. (I think the point of the author of the poster is that many of the faiths themselves contradict and therefore, on a theological level, coexistence is rather difficult.)

        But the God of the covenants (or testaments) is indeed the same; you are correct. Salvation under the first covenant was different than it is since God ushered in a new way of redemption, but I would think that most Christ-followers would not have any reason to question the eternal destiny of Moses, Job et al.

        As to who is ‘in’ and who is ‘out,’ that’s not up to me or anyone else to decide. I really don’t think the poster artist is being judgmental, rather it is simply a response to the Coexist art/poster/bumper sticker. But I’m willing to bet that he/she is not a Christian universalist, or the scripture verse wouldn’t have been added.

        Comment by paulthinkingoutloud — September 29, 2012 @ 6:45 pm

    • There doesn’t have to be, we just have so many Einsteins that overlook what they want. As they say the believers do, this person also overlooked that Jesus is in just about all of those religions. You are correct God is one God, of all things. It’s funny that Even Tesla says God is true, even though I need no one to tell me my faith either. This person also overlooked where God says no one is right about him. The churches aren’t of him, (the teachings are false doctrines commanding the commandments of men. Although a lot of believers also overlook many details as well. Like (all scripture is inspired by god) and we do not hold the only scriptures. Now I would post the minister of the new covenant to teach this person to read it before you knock it. Just like you should do all things. But in it it says “for we once considered Christ from a worldly view. We do so no longer, and people will not be judged by their sins. But what is on their hearts”, not only that it also says. “The old scriptures bring death, (just as these people love to throw in the faces of believers) yet the new brings life”. I can’t wait to see the day people read things before they swear they know them. Might help them and the world by taking their hate out if it.

      Comment by Michael — December 22, 2013 @ 1:26 pm

  2. Your taking the time to “talk” through this with me is much appreciated. Thank you.

    Comment by MJ — September 29, 2012 @ 11:06 pm

  3. we can choose not to co-exist – but there is very little chance as humans that we will make it through without doing that – not with how we have affected our ecosystem – or what God – in Christian speech – had given us dominium over so that we could cherish it for Him – not deplete it to self destruction.
    So The issue of co-existing or not won’t be a theoretical one, it is a very pragmatical one. The issues we face on this planet are global – if we want to remain seperated and isolated we are depleting the potential that all the sacred books have said we needed to act upon.
    Why be given the Holy Spirit every Sunday, if all you do is seperate your neighbours between those _like us – (covenant faiths) and those _not like us and remember to do god’s work once in a while ?

    Our survival is not necessary, you know

    Comment by MIE — October 15, 2012 @ 4:35 am

  4. This is a fantastic poster for Atheists. Because it is exactly right. There are thousands of cultures with wildly divergent views of how the universe works, life was formed, etc. They all contradict each other, with no real reason to assume one is correct over the others (whichever you believe is far more likely to be based on where you were born than any evidence for any of the views).

    It could probably stand to have the John bit lopped off, or verses from creation stories of each mythology added, but otherwise, spot on. I think I’ll make use of this graphic myself. Thank you.

    Comment by Daniel — November 16, 2012 @ 1:39 pm

  5. If you want to know more about Contradict go to http://www.contradictmovement.org. There is a video that explains the message of the Contradict sticker. There are also links to a blog, Facebook, and a page for ordering Contradict stickers.

    I designed and made the Contradict logo that you see in this image with a friend. The original we made is just black and white and it doesn’t have the verse written out below. I am not sure who made the image that is posted here. It looks pretty good though. I just wish it had the url so people knew where to go to hear the fuller message behind the logo.

    Comment by Andy Wrasman — December 3, 2012 @ 11:52 pm

    • An update with the link has been added.

      Comment by paulthinkingoutloud — December 4, 2012 @ 8:59 am

      • Thanks for adding the link! Have you followed Contradict Movement at all since posting? I now have a book entitled Contradict that is available on Amazon and many other online stores.

        Comment by Andy Wrasman — August 8, 2014 @ 7:31 pm

    • For my book industry friends who don’t do A-zon, the Contradict book is also available from WestBow through Ingram; use ISBN 9781490819297

      Comment by paulthinkingoutloud — August 8, 2014 @ 7:41 pm


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